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Peter Diamandis · Oct 28, 2026 · 136 min

Anthropic’s $2T IPO, Elon Predicts Neocloud Death, and China’s Kimi Catches Up | #306

The panel discusses the AI sell-off in neoclouds, the Anthropic IPO and the open-vs-closed model gap. They see the neocloud pullback as a shakeout of badly financed players rather than the end of the AI boom. Anthropic's financials are treated as extraordinary, though its governance structure draws concern. Kimi's near-parity with US frontier models is seen as pressuring US labs. A long physics and science section covers Alex's chain theory and OpenAI's math discoveries.

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Where they stand

AI

Very bullish

AI demand and capability are accelerating, and any pain in the neocloud and credit layer is seen as a financing shakeout, not an end to the boom.

High conviction · years

Markets

Bullish

The neocloud sell-off is expected to clear weak, over-levered players while cash-flow-rich firms like SpaceX and Anthropic get stronger, with the Anthropic IPO viewed as fairly priced.

Medium conviction · months

Crypto

Bullish

Salim expects Bitcoin, via Lightning, to become the currency of choice for AI agents, with a fuller Bitcoin debate promised.

Low conviction · years

Key takeaways

  1. Neoclouds like CoreWeave and Nebius sold off 30%+ on debt concerns; Chamath and Elon predict stranded compute in 2027 and 'guppy level death' among the ~200 neoclouds, while SpaceX borrowed $40B at 8% as an investment-grade borrower. 16:13
  2. The panel's consensus is that this is a financing shakeout and not a technology bubble pop: compute is sold out for years, though Alex flags a possible demand shock from RSI efficiency gains or missing killer apps. 17:52
  3. Anthropic's IPO (week of Nov 16, raising ~$100B at $1.5-2T) is called strong: revenue of $16.3B in H1 2026, a first operating profit, and $28 revenue per compute dollar; risks are $500B+ compute commitments and customer concentration. 32:21
  4. Anthropic's Long-Term Benefit Trust class T shares are debated; Alex and Imad see ideological-control and fiduciary risk, and Imad argues Anthropic should have stayed private. 37:21
  5. Kimi K3.1 Pro from Moonshot AI is said to be about five weeks behind the US frontier, and open weights will arrive next week; the panel sees this as forcing US labs to compete. 55:15
  6. GPT 6.1 Terra launched at under half the prior price with a 50-point drop in hallucinations, and the panel says price-performance is doubling roughly every 7 weeks. 1:04:40
  7. The panel argues Europe is falling behind in power and compute, while the US faces a power gap with China. 7:49
  8. Alex's chain theory derives the fine structure constant, and OpenAI announced three math, computer science and physics results; the panel says verification is now the bottleneck. 1:10:50

Calls and positions

  • Elon Musk says debt markets have shut off funding for companies without substantial non-data-center revenue, and the roughly 200 neoclouds will see guppy-level death and consolidation.
    “the 200 neoclouds are going to see guppy level death and consolidation”
    Very bearishPrediction: neocloud death and consolidationPeter Diamandis (quoting Elon Musk), Oct 28, 2026Watch at 16:46#CoreWeave#SpaceX
  • A bubble is likelier to come from a demand surprise, with killer applications not arriving in time to justify the compute spend.
    “I would bet on a demand surprise where all of this new comput is coming online”
    BearishPrediction: demand shortfallAlex Wissner-Gross, Oct 28, 2026Watch at 25:03#AI capex
  • Stranded compute is expected in 2027, making it a turbulent year that clears out bad bets.
    “2027 will be a turbulent year because it will clear out a bunch of bad bets.”
    BearishPrediction: partially stranded compute (2027)Chamath (quoted by Peter), Oct 28, 2026Watch#CoreWeave
  • After the Anthropic, OpenAI and SpaceX IPOs, San Francisco becomes the overwhelming financial capital of the world, with the money reinvested into AI.
    “After these IPOs, San Francisco is overwhelmingly the financial capital of the entire world.”
    BullishPrediction: San Francisco as financial capitalDave Blundin, Oct 28, 2026Watch at 46:49#Anthropic#OpenAI#SpaceX
  • Salim expects Bitcoin, now scalable through Lightning, to become the currency of choice for AI agents.
    “I expect Satoshi's to be the uh uh currency of choice for AI agents over time.”
    Very bullishPrediction: Satoshis as agent currencySalim Ismail, Oct 28, 2026Watch at 2:09:57#Bitcoin
  • The US-China gap in power generation is expected to widen to almost 10 to 1.
    “the gap in power between the US and China is going to expand almost 10 to1.”
    BearishPrediction: 10:1 power gapPeter Diamandis, Oct 28, 2026Watch at 8:24#China

Views expressed

  • Compute is sold out for years, so anyone with a viable data center will do well unless they signed bad debt deals.
    “all all compute is sold out for years. So anyone with a viable data center is going to do incredibly well.”
    BullishDave Blundin, Oct 28, 2026Watch at 17:52#AI capex#CoreWeave
  • Imad advises staying away from RAM stocks, saying the market is frothy and new architectures will cut memory needs.
    “I would be nowhere near RAM stocks right now.”
    BearishImad Mostaque, Oct 28, 2026Watch at 22:20#Micron Technology
  • Anthropic at a $2T valuation is correctly priced and a cash machine, and Dave would buy into the IPO for exposure to the category.
    “it's correctly priced. Uh it's growing faster than anything we've ever seen.”
    Very bullishDave Blundin, Oct 28, 2026Watch at 34:35#Anthropic
  • Imad argues Anthropic should not be a public company, since it has ample cash and will not care about its share price.
    “Anthropic should not be a public company.”
    BearishImad Mostaque, Oct 28, 2026Watch at 43:25#Anthropic
  • Alex finds the long-term benefit trust governance concerning and compares it to ideological control, warning it could degenerate into ideological control.
    “I actually think is potentially concerning.”
    BearishAlex Wissner-Gross, Oct 28, 2026Watch at 39:33#Anthropic
  • Open-weight Chinese models like Kimi K3.1 Pro may have passed the US public frontier on performance per cost, which keeps US labs competing.
    “it's actually past the optimal frontier surface of Opus 5.5.”
    BullishAlex Wissner-Gross, Oct 28, 2026Watch at 58:06#Anthropic
  • Energy is an incredible investment theme with no end in sight as AI value rises.
    “energy is an incredible investment theme uh with no end in sight.”
    Very bullishDave Blundin, Oct 28, 2026Watch at 2:12:14#Power and energy for AI

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